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And read Courtney on the sounds of the abortion rights movement, a.k.a more of those angry woman songs after Casey v. Planned Parenthood.

TRANSCRIPT

Melissa: Hello, I'm Melissa Locker. 

Courtney: And I'm Courtney E. Smith. 

Melissa: and you are listening to Songs My Ex Ruined, the show where we talk about songs that have been ruined by our exes. 

Courtney: This week, Melissa and I are here with an actual legend, Glen Matlock. You know his music. You've been listening to it for decades. Glen was the original bassist in the Sex Pistols and wrote ten of the songs on their legendary debut album, Nevermind the Bullocks, Here’s the Sex Pistols. He’s played in loads of bands since then, including Blondie and The Faces, and even reunited with the Pistols years later. And he’s got a fantastic album out this year that’s all about fucking things up — because punks never die. Glen, thanks for being here and welcome to the show.

Glen: Hello. hello. Well, I, I dunno, I was sort of thinking about this, and I don't know, perhaps I got a heart of stone, but I don't know that there's really many songs that have done that. But when I was a young lad, about 13 or 14, me and my chum went with my mum and dad to this thing in England called a holiday camp, which is kind of a peculiar English thing [unintelligable]. And we thought we were like kind of the cat's whiskers, you know, chatting up the girls and stuff. But really we were too shy. Then there was a young lady in the dance hall or a disco tech. And I didn't approach her. We were a bit too shy. And the song that was playing at the time, I mean, this is about 1968, ‘69? Was “My Cherie Amour” by Stevie Wonder. He might have even been little Stevie Wonder then, it was that long ago. So every time I hear that song, it takes me back to like the unrequited love. But then, I never really knew cause I didn't even get my hat off, kinda thing.

Courtney: Yeah, I mean that what you described is so cinematic though. This idea of a Stevie Wonder song that's been in so many movies and TV shows and that everybody knows so well as a part of our lives. And that song takes you back to this moment of being 13. I mean, we all have so many songs like that from school dances. 

Glen: Not only that, just to jump in here, you just reminded me. People ask me, “What's the best show you ever go to? vVnue you went to? and there's a store in London called Selfridges. It's a bit like Macy’s or something like that. Somebody maybe about ten years ago called me up and said, ‘What you doing tonight?” And I said, “Not a lot, why?” They said, “Come to Selfridges.” I said, “What I get to Selfridges for?” “Come to Selfridges, there's something going on.” Now, Selfridges, at the time, one of the bits in the corner had shut down. And it was the bit in the corner where blokes like me, men like me, would go and get maybe a night shirt once in a while, you know, socks. And they shut it down, and they redecorated it. So, I was kind of interested in what it was going to be. So, I went down there, and then I get there, and it was after the storage shut, so it was about seven o'clock in the evening. And there were people having champagne and canopies, and there was like Chrome hearts there and Louis Vuitton. And it wasn't really my cup of tea. And I was a bit annoyed that my kind of old-fashioned men's outfit a bit wasn't there anymore. But anyway, all of a sudden, there was a guy, he went, “Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming along tonight.” And he was standing in front of a red velvet curtain with a kind of a braid gold kind of string. He said, “I don’t know if you realize, but this part of our new store, which you've come to show tonight, is, um, gonna be called the Wonder Store. And without further ado, I won't keep you wasting. You got something special for you.” And he pulled the rope, and do you know who was behind this rope? Stevie Wonder. 

Courtney: What? 

Melissa: No way.

Glen: On a piano, and I was right down the front. Now, he played “My Cherie Amour” at that, and there was two women behind me singing along. And he was doing “I Just Called to Say I Love You.” And these women are singing along. I, you probably won't know her now, but I turned around, and there's a big TV star who used to be a hat check girl at the Cavern in Liverpool and was friends with the Beatles and became quite a famous singer called Cilla Black. It was her, and she was having a girl's night out with Joan Collins. 

Courtney: Oh my God. 

Glen: Fantastic, it was one of the best gigs I've ever been to in my life. It was cool. 

Courtney: That is one of the most British stories I've ever heard involving Stevie Wonder. Wow. 

Glen: Yeah, it was cool.

Melissa: A secret Stevie Wonder show is definitely the coolest.

Courtney: At a department store, like wild. 

Glen: He does 'em all the time. If they're secret, how do we ever know? But I was there. And somebody didn't believe me, and they looked it up online, and they found it, and they said, “Oh, quite right.: There you go. 

Courtney: Well, so when you hear “My Cherie Amour” now, does it take you back in time? Do you get transported back to 13-year-old Glen? 

Glen: Yeah, I do. That's all I think of, really. Well, also and Selfridges as well. 

Courtney: Yeah, I mean, that's pretty remarkable.

Glen: And a bit eclectic as to which way my emotions should, should go. But they're, they're kind of, they're both kind of good, good moments. It reminds me of being younger, naive. 

Melissa: Could you tell us a little bit about what you were like when you were that age? Like what were you interested in? Were you a quiet, shy book reader? Were you…? 

Glen: Interested in football, music, head down at school, beginning to try and learn the guitar. Probably a bit spotty. Probably wasn't very good at shaving at that stage. You know, fluff, we call it. Tried to look the part but probably failed miserably. I, I was just some regular guy who, you know, a young teenage guy trying to find his way in the world. 

Melissa: But, so if you could go back and give advice to 13-year-old Glen, what would you tell him to do in that moment?

Glen: Well, there's that Tom Wait song innit, “Step Right Up.” You've just got to step right up and take it on the chin. And you know, and there's quite a good expression in life: “You don't get what you don't ask for.” You know, and what's the worst that can happen? Somebody laughs at you. And they do it all the time anyway, so you know.

Courtney: Oh see, I find projection very painful, and I'm terribly afraid of it. So it's actually quite, the worst is actually pretty bad, I think. 

Melissa: So, Glen, do you not think getting laughed at is that big of a deal? 

Glen: Not when you've been around as long as I have, and done as many gigs as I have, and people, you know, the- what's, what's that, I can't remember the whole quote about Hunter S. Thompson going about, “The music business is a cruel, shallow, ditch full of shysters and charlatans…” And all this, blah, blah, blah. “And then there's the bad side.” You know, somebody don't like it, and they delight in telling you why you're rubbish. You know, when you've had 40 years of that, you know, cause it's not all up, up, up all the time. You kind of learn to shrug it off a little bit and do it anyway. So, you know.

Courtney: That's it, Melissa. We've gotta get ourselves in the public eye and get thicker skin from it. That's the takeaway here. 

Glen: You don't have to be in the public eye.

Melissa: Clearly, I just need more people to laugh at me. 

Glen: Yeah, well then, there you go and, and, it's a bit like getting a corn on your finger. When you learn to play the guitar, it really hurts at first, and then you get hard skin on your fingers like a corn and it don't hurt anymore. 

Melissa: That's true. 

Courtney: I mean, I have to take in stride this advice is coming from a man who lived through the years of punk rock and getting gobbed on, on stage. So your negative detractors have been very physical and like very intense and in your face. 

Glen: Yeah, well, you can be polite with it. Oh, excuse me, young lady. Excuse me, sir. Did you care for this dance? No. Alright. How about the next one? How about the one after that? Long enough, and it don't work out that geezer over there, how about after then? No. Alright. Are you sure? 

Melissa: So how did you go from this, like, polite young man, being too shy to talk to ask her to girl to dance to “My Cherie Amour” to punk rock infamy? 

Glen: Beer. 

Courtney: Beer!

Melissa: Oh, so since I don't like beer, I don't have it in my cards. Okay. 

Glen: It's a bit of Dutch courage, really, but that can lead you down a slippery slope as well. It's just a bit of life experience, really.

Kind of moving on from that. I, I've sort of twisted it around sometimes, and sometimes people get under your skin a little bit much. And on my last album, I wrote a song. Now I'm not gonna tell you what it is cause it would give the game away, but it's a big ballad, and it goes, “Like the rain or tomorrow you always, always running around / You’re here, there you're everywhere / Your feet barely touch the ground / Gotta beg, stealer, or borrow to keep up with you / that's what I found /  But I found out what you are about /  I got you down Because baby, you’re a piece of work” And it goes on in that kind of vein, you know? And I, musically I quite liked, who's that song? It goes, “Listen to Iron Maiden maybe.”

Courtney: Wheatus “Teenage Dirtbag.” 

Glen: This particular person wasn't a teenage dirtbag. She was quite highfalutin, and it was hard to keep up, but, so there you go. 

Melissa: So Glen, I have to ask though, it's like, so this is, how does this relate to this girl that you didn't talk to at summer camp? 

Glen: It doesn't. They’re two separate things. Well, what it is, the girl I didn't talk to at summer camp, I long learned a long, slow lesson that you can't hold, hide your light under a bushel. And you gotta step up to the plate and- but you know, when you are young, you're kind of a bit shy and timid and stuff. 

Melissa: Oh, I totally relate to that. I feel like I spent my entire life as a wallflower. 

Glen: There you go. I was just thinking of that expression, wallflower, which we have over here as well. Did you kind of transcend being a wallflower?

Melissa: Barely. I think… Courtney's shaking her head. 

Courtney: Definitely not. 

Melissa: I still tend to like be a little bit on the outside, can be a little shy. But I do think there are so many times when I think back on like my teenage years, my pre-teen years, there are so many opportunities that I wish I had been brave enough to grab. And like, I don't know, people I wish I had danced with or people I wish I had even talked to.

Glen: Right, do you ever get a chance to revisit that scenario with somebody you would like to? On my new album, I've got a song called “Face in the Crowd,” and it's all about a chance encounter. In New York, in the West Village in Bleecker Street, and you run into an old flame that you know, if you persisted back then, how life could have been different. You know, like a sliding doors kind of moment, and it doesn't really resolve itself. But we're, we're full of seeing people. Oh, what’s her face?

Courtney: Literally, why I had to leave New York. Too many exes.

Courtney: Well, okay, so we love to have people who've written songs about exes or about relationships on to talk about them because there's always like this push and pull of what your responsibility as a songwriter is. And is it fair to make someone the subject of a song? Like, do they have to just expect that if they date a musician? That you know everything is art, and everything is potentially copy?

Glen: Well, I don't think you should name names. I think that's a given, for a start. When you write a song, most of the time, it's a kind of an amalgamation of different things that you've been through. It’s not normally that pointed, although the one I'm singing to you was. Ha ha! I was fortunate enough to meet and kind of become sort of slight friends with a French artist who's like the Damien Hurst of France woman called Sophie Calle. Cal, like a Spanish name for street. And I think most people in my songs have got off lightly. Because her boyfriend wrote her like a dear John letter saying, you know, they wasn't gonna go out anymore. And she was a bit upset about it, but she sat on it for a little bit. And then thought, “Hmm, what can I do?” So she photo stuttered a copy of the letter and sent copies to the chief of police in Paris, to a psychoanalyst, to a magic guidance counselor, to a divorce lawyer, or whatever, about 20 different people, and turned and got their responses. And turned it up, you know, and blew it up and made it into a big artwork, so I think that's taken it a bit far. It was a little bit jokey, but… 

Courtney: That makes it very personal. 

Glen: Yeah, I haven't gone that far. So there's degrees of things in life, you know? There's that bit there, and there's that bit there, and there's this sort of bit in the middle.

Courtney: Do you think the person you wrote the song about knows that it's about them? 

Glen: Mm, don’t know. I've moved on now. I don't really care, but I've got it out of my system. 

Melissa: So Taylor Swift is very famous for constantly writing about exes, and people always, you know, are able to piece together who she's writing about. Do you think that's like too far? Do you think that's not very cool? 

Glen: I know, I don't really know much about Taylor Swift. It seems a little bit naughty, and it's not going to exactly encourage her getting loads of Valentine's Day cards. Is it? I mean, if I was theoretically gonna go out with Taylor Swift and I knew that, I'd think twice about it.

Courtney: Yeah, I feel that way about Taylor Swift too. Like I’d think twice about being friends with her, too. Cause it's just her- it's not even her, it's her fans who are so like dedicated to the hunt of “Who is this about?”

Glen: Well, I suppose it's a bit like the Beatles. When Paul McCartney was supposed to be dead and they, people were trying to find all these signs and tokens as why he weren't really there. It was a load of old tosh, really, you know. I was in Milwaukee maybe 10, 12 years ago now, and I was doing a gig and we had a night off. And I was, my friend, slim Jim Phantom, who was, is the drummer from the Stray Cats, maybe done some shows together with a guy called Robert Gordon. We had a night off. We wandered around Milwaukee, and it was very cold. And we see a guy in the distance, the other side of the river that goes through it, standing there, and we thought, “Oh, he must be cold.” And it was cold. And we went past this beautiful theater, and we went in and this beautiful kind of foyer, kind of like art nouveau style and all that. And this old guy come up to us, and he said, “I can help you gentleman.” We said, “Well, it was very cold outside, and he saw your theater and, you know, we're quite impressed with it.” And he started giving us a guy to tour. And he took us to the auditorium, and there was nobody in the lobby because they'd already gone into the gig. And there's all these young kids there, and he's going, “Excuse me, nyway, this balcony was built in 1910, and it's made of like kind of jar wood or something like that.” But it was a girl singing on stage. I'm pretty sure it was Taylor Swift before she'd really taken off. So, there you go. And then we come, they all that. And then we came out, and the guy was still standing by the banks of the river in the middle of Milwaukee. I mean, it's like minus five or something. Anyways, we got closer, and we realized it was a statue and it was a statue of the Fonz.

Melissa: Wow, but maybe Taylor Swift will write a song about people coming in and talking during her soundcheck. 

Glen: Maybe, yeah. No, this wasn't sound check. This was the concert!

Courtney: I love that now, telling all the kids, ‘Excuse me. Pardon me. Step aside, please.”

Melissa: One question that I always love to ask artists is like, over the course of this show, we've had a lot of people come and tell us songs that have been sent to them. Like, “Oh my God, my boyfriend sent me this song and I knew he was breaking up with me.” Or, “Oh my God, this girl sent me this song and I knew it was never gonna work out.” I was thinking about your entire discography. Like of all the bands you've played, all the songs you've played on, what one song do you hope no one ever sends to someone they like? Or someone they want to break up with? 

Glen: Ooh.  

Courtney: What song is too spicy and too mean to send to someone? 

Glen: Well, I know but I mean, when you got songs like “Anarchy in the UK” and “God Save the Queen,” I don’t know that if somebody sent that to, you know, somebody opposite sex go down too well. I don’t know how that would be read, really.

 

Courtney: That's a great answer.

Melissa: Yeah, that just reminded me that when I was in, I think 8th grade, I had just started at a brand new school, so you're like 13 or something. I had just started at a brand new school and a boy gave me a folder with a God Save the Queen sticker on it. And I had just come from this very, very small Christian school. And I was just so scandalized, cause I didn't really know what it was. Like, I knew it was sort of like edgy, but I didn't quite understand it. But honestly, that sticker kind of opened up an entire world for me because suddenly I was like, “Huh, there's a lot that I did not learn at my very small Christian school. There's a lot happening in the world.” And I immediately like, went to the record store near my house and I was like, what is this? And they showed me the album. 

Glen: Oh, okay. So, the guy giving you that folder with a sticker on it, what do you think he was trying to tell you? 

Melissa: I think he pr- maybe he liked me? And was just trying to show he was cool? Yeah. He was trying to prove that he was cool. And I of course was too dumb to realize what was cool at the time.

Glen: Right, but once you found out, did you think it was cool or not? 

Melissa: I did, but then he also wore Crass t-shirts and I think he had a Dead Kennedys shirt. And that was just like, it was all like too much for me. I was too young and naive. 

Glen: I was, we had, we had to wear a blazer in a, a tie at my school. So that's, that's all, you know, to wear a Crass t-shirt at school. Well, Crass probably weren't born when I was at school, but yeah that doesn't quite compute really. No. What happens then? Is he still in your little black book? 

Melissa: No, I mean unfortunately he, I actually thought about him recently and really wanted to try and look him up, but he has one of those names that you can't look up on social media like. His name is Un-Googleable cause there's just too many of them in the world. And I have no idea how to find him, but I kind of wanted to because I was thinking about it. This show, you know, triggers a lot of memories. And so I was just sort of thinking about it. I was like, “I wonder what ever happened to that guy?” Because he was clearly the coolest guy in my 8th grade class.

Glen: Oh, it sounds like you had the hots for him a little bit really. 

Courtney: Yeah, it does. 

Glen: Maybe you should it a bit more, you know, and sort of beam it out there through the internet. He, he might somehow reach out to you. 

Courtney: I mean, truly we've wished that for other, for guests who've been on this show. We could wish that for you, Melissa, that this guy reaches out. The coolest guy in 8th grade.

Melissa: Yeah, but I will say that the end of the story is that he, I think he did like me, but in a very weird way. And anyway, one time I was on a bus, like public bus, and he was like trying to flag me down. And I was just sort of like, “I don't know what's going on.” And he like smashed the window, like, “Hey!” And it freaked me out. I don't know if I actually wanna be friends with him.

 

Courtney: He was too punk. 

Melissa: He was too punk for me, maybe. 

Glen: Yeah, a little bit too punk.

Melissa: And that's straight from Glen Matlock, so definitely too punk.

Glen: Maybe, I'm saying maybe. 

Courtney: Hedging your bets there, Glen Matlock.

Courtney: So Glen, tell us about your new album? Tell us about the new stuff you're working on? 

Glen: Well, I've, I've, I've worked on it. I've got a new album that's coming out at the end of April. There's a single out now called “Head on a Stick.” It’s not the most romantic title, but I've been doing a few of these things and I've come up with a snappy forward phrase to explain it. And it's a spleen-venting toe-tapper.

Courtney: Oh, spleen! 

Glen: Yeah, there's a lots of, you know, when you vent your spleen cause you're annoyed about something. Lots of stuff going on around the world, particularly in the Western world. I think there's been a nonsensical lurch to the right. And I'm not happy about it. In England, we've had Brexit. I know you've had Trump over there, and it's people who purport to be you know, for the people, but are really just kind of plundering the coffers. You know, and your spaces as we think about 'em. And I think they should be brought to account and made an example of, metaphorically. and I think it'd be great to say the head is on the stick, you know, so they've got some kind of comeuppance coming. And it's from an album called Consequences Coming. Now, the consequences aren't coming for me. I think finally people are beginning to wise up to the way things are going, and I see a little chunk of light at the end of the tunnel. So hopefully the consequences come in will be that those people end up with their head metaphorically on sticks, you know. 

Courtney: I hope so. There's a lot of people that need to have their heads metaphorically put on sticks in my world. Can I tell you though, that this conversation has completely — since Trump — completely infiltrated my dating and romantic life. Like so much of conversation now has to be vetting people. I live in Texas, so it's Texas. A lot of talking to men about, “Hey, so how do our politics align? What do you believe? And who did you vote for?” And just weeding them out and it's like, it's interesting to me the pushback that I get from some men who are- just don't wanna say or they wanna like tell me it's not important, which is rude. Like, if it's important to me, it's important. 

Glen: Yeah, I think you've gotta care about, I dunno, the world's become quite polarized, but I think you kind of gotta try and right it back somehow. It's the same here. I, I wouldn't take some for Brexit. You know, it's the same kind of deal really then. I dunno, I mean now English politics aren't kind of your concern, but it, it all feeds into each other, really, somehow around the world. And people have been mugged and it's my quest to be one of the people who help un-mug people. 

Melissa: Hmm, I mean, you have an incredibly long history of very politically charged music. Do you feel like it's worse than when you started? Or do you feel like it's about the same? Like, has anything changed? 

Glen: I think it's got worse actually. I think since I started being involved with doing music, I think it's become more brazen and more in your face. More, what's the word, you know, heartless. And I think it's because they've had it in 40 years. They've had more practice at doing it, and they're probably quite good at it by now. You know, it's just a good thing, but it's, it is the size of it, you know? 

Courtney: Depressing but true. 

Melissa: Yeah. Is there one song in like your entire discography that you think sums up what's happening in the world right now? Or that you could send to a politician?  

Glen: I think the, the single I've got out at the moment, “Head on a Stick” is my spleen-venting toe-tapper kind of sums up where I'm coming from. And, you know, it's been out in England a little bit. I just found out I'm No. 20 in the Heritage chart, whichever that, whatever that means today. But a lot of people are saying clean, you know, you're saying what we all wanna say really. And I've been doing national TV shows over here. And I actually went viral on Twitter for, for two days for saying what I thought that kind of the expression over here is, “Oh, don't scare the horses.” Well, I did. 

Melissa: What was the experience of going viral on Twitter like for you?

Glen: It was just a bit, “Oh, that's kinda nice.” See all these hits and more people start writing to you. You know, if you get a record or something like that, it's just people give you a little bit more credence somehow in this, this kind of media led world that we're living. I don't really care about it personally, but I do care that people listen to my music a bit more. Not only am I going on about this and not every song on the record, and I'm not a po-faced old, miserable git trying to preach to everybody, but there are some things in my mind and I think it's an abrogation of responsibility if you don't address them. It's, it's been quite heavy duty the past five or six years or more. How can you not be affected about that? But there's also some pretty good music and it was some fantastic players who've all mucked in to help me make this record. And. I'm, I'm chuff with it, you know, so…

Courtney: I mean, I agree with that completely, and I'm ready to bring political songs and political sentiments into the romantic sector myself. I mean, it helps. It helps me figure out the character of a person. 

Glen: Are you advocating politically romantic songs or a romantically political one? 

Courtney: I'm advocating politically romantic songs. I want the West Wing to return, but I'll take a little romantically politic. 

Melissa: Okay, but I can't even think of any politically like romantic political songs. I mean they must exist. 

Courtney: I don't think it's a genre that exists. It's more the litmus test of playing people political songs.

Melissa: Glen, this is your chance. Step up!  

Courtney: Fill the void. 

Glen: There's a by Edwyn Collins and I think it was quite a big worldwide, and it's called “A Girl Like You.” “Never met a girl like you before.” But he's got a good line in there: “Too many protest singers / Not enough protest songs.” And that was kind of a little spur for me to write the song and now our outfit in romantically with a girl like you. I don’t know, perhaps he's saying she should write one. 

Melissa: Yeah, or maybe he met her at a protest?

Courtney: That song did come out in the ‘90s. There were a lot of women singers and we were allowed to be angry for a minute. So, maybe he is saying she should voice her…. 

Glen: Yeah, you've got a good history of people like Joan Baez and all that kind of thing, and Laura Nyro. 

Melissa:. Yeah, not notably angry women but excellent singers for sure.

Courtney: Excellent protests songwriters though, and singers. 

Melissa: Yes. But more, I was thinking more like the protest of like L7 and like sort of the pro-choice movement that came out in the early 2000s, late ‘90s.

Courtney: Well, ‘92 after Casey versus Planned Parenthood, but yeah. 

Glen: I'm not so hip to that. I, I've heard of L7 and I know what L7 means cause it didn't make any sense, but somebody said it's L7. It's like, “Don't be square.” It’s from “Wooly Bully.” “Mattie told Hattie about the things she saw / two long horns and a bully Jaw / Wolly Bully.” “And then, and Mattie told her he don't be L7.” I thought, “What on earth is that all about?” But then I found out and this don't be a square, so there you go. But at, but but the political side of L7, I will have to investigate further. But good for them.

Melissa: Oh, I can make you a playlist. They are amazing. 

Courtney: Just start with “Shitlist.” That's the song. That's my jam. 

Glen: “Shitlist?”

Courtney: “Shitlist.”

Glen: And there’s me been trying hard not to swear. There you goes. 

Melissa: Wow, you're trying not to swear? 

Glen: Yeah. 

Melissa: Is it just a kinder, gentler version of you? 

Glen: Well, I think swearing’s not big or clever if you use it all the time, but, and then if you save it up and just say it when you really mean it, it hits harder. 

Melissa: That's true.

Glen: Anyway, ladies, it's, do you know what? It's my dinner time here in London. 

Courtney: We have been so honored to have you on. Like, it's been such a thrill to talk to you. Thank you.

Glen: Yeah, I've enjoyed chatting about affairs of the heart, and the lack of affairs of the heart. 

Melissa: But can you tell us where people can find you online or in the record store?

Courtney: If they wanna see your viral tweets? 

Glen: I’m on Instagram and Facebook, Twitter: Glen Matlock. If they wanna check out my record, go to Cooking Vinyl, Glen Matlock or Townsend Records, on Spotify. You know, I mean, all the usual cyber shops these days, so I'm told. 

Courtney: All right. I'm gonna get myself a copy of your single and start sending it to potential suitors.

Glen: Yeah, well, there you go. You may need a sticker. 

Melissa: And I'm just gonna start putting some heads on sticks. Maybe I'll start with paper mache and move upwards. 

Glen: Yeah, there you go.  

Courtney: On that note, have a great dinner. 

Glen: See you later.