LINKS

Get yourself a copy of You Will Find Your People in our Bookshop.org store. It's as good as you think it sounds!

And go see Lane live on her Tinder Live tour.

She also has a podcast called I Thought It Was Just Me that you can subscribe to.

TRANSCRIPT

Melissa: Hello, I'm Melissa Locker. 

Courtney: And I'm Courtney E. Smith. 

Melissa: And you are listening to Songs My Ex Ruined, the show where we talk about songs have been ruined by our exes. 

Courtney: Okay, I am extremely, extremely excited that Lane Moore is with us today. Her Twitter presence is a defining thing of an entire decade, according to me. I also follow her on TikTok, where I'm obsessed in a very high key way. And I love Tinder Live, her comedy show. I think it's brilliantn. And now, Lane, you have a new book coming  out.

Lane: Yeah, yeah. Thank you for all of those things that — I didn't want to interrupt you. Sometimes when I'm talking to people on a podcast, I'm like tempted to jump in and be like, “That's so nice.” And I was like, let them finish their intro. But thank you. It was very, it meant a lot to me. Yeah, I have a new book coming out. My second book, called You Will Find Your People. I'm very excited about it. 

Courtney: Usually we jump right into things, but I'd like you to tell me a little bit about this book before we do, if you would.

Lane:  Absolutely, yeah. So, the book is called You Will Find Your People: How to Make Meaningful Friendships as an Adult, and it's something that's been so challenging for me, and I know so many people. You know, my first book was How To Be Alone, and that was all about like not really having support systems and like how do you navigate when you don't have the support systems that you really want? And developing a relationship with yourself. And then You Will Find Your People is really- I wanted to embark upon, like why is it so different from what I thought it was going to be like when I was a kid? And I thought I was gonna have these Sex and the City friends, I thought I would have the friends on Living Single and New Girl. And I thought my friend group would be like that. And it's not like that at all. And, you know, relevant to this show as well, I even write about in the book, I'm also a musician in a band called It Was Romance. And I write about how when I started playing with other musicians, I thought that was going to be like my family. I thought they were going to be there for me no matter what. And then I started playing with different musicians, not the current iteration now, but I was like, oh, I'm like going through a mental health crisis. And no one cares. No one wants to be bothered. And I even wrote a song about how much I was struggling. My bandmates at the time literally reacted by being like, “Ugh, this is such a great pop song. Let's play it.” And I was like, “Oh my God. I literally wrote a song. It's a cry for help. This was literally a cry for help.” And they were just like, “Sick beat. This is eh, yeah, this is gonna be great.” And we're literally like playing my cry for help as a band. I was like, how? How is this even possible? And I would watch, you know, I would watch like Paramore and stuff and, and she would talk about like, “Oh yeah, my bandaids were there for me during my darkest times.” And I'm like, during my darkest times they were like, “Let's not talk about that. Let's just play music. That's not really what this is.” And I was like, where the hell are you supposed to get it? If not, if not, your band mates? if not, you know… 

Courtney: …your friends. Where all the emotionally mature people that I need to be hanging out with?

Lane:. Right? And so I specifically, you know- not only does the book talk about trying to make friends, trying to make better friends and attachment styles and all these things, but also, I wanted to write a book- hopefully somebody will never have to go through what I went through, because people will read this chapter about like how to talk to a friend who's going through like having a rough time, going through mental health crisis. Like I really want there to be more of a sense of community in the world. Like we can't keep doing it the way we're doing it, where it's like, you know, you're over there and like I don't know, seek help. Go talk to a therapist. Like, no, we're supposed to be each other's backup, and I've just been frustrated by that my whole life, and I think a lot of people have.

Melissa: I realize this was not the point, but did you just say sea kelp?

Lane: Yes. 

Melissa: Or did I just make that up?

Lane: No, I did.

Melissa: Oh, I thought you said sea kelp like in like some Gwyneth Paltrow like goop sort of eat more sea kelp. And I was like, “Why would you need to eat more sea kelp? Is that something that makes friends?”

Courtney: So, okay, as I seek help by sipping applesauce from a cup like a child, let's pivot to the question that this podcast is predicated on. Tell us about a song that an ex ruined for you, please? 

Lane: So, here's the thing, and I don't know if anyone has ever brought this up yet, but there have been so many. Like if I have ever made a mix, a playlist for somebody, all those songs? Dead to me. Gone just forever. Like they're all gone. And then there was this song like from the ‘90s, I think, called “Slowly, Slowly” but really good grungy girl vocals, really great song. I wanna say the band's like Magnapop, like do you know what I'm talking about at all? 

Courtney: Yeah. 

Lane: And I think what had happened was when I was like at my ex's place, it was the song that I really loved. It was a song I was listening to all the time and I was like, well, the song is so great. “Slowly, Slowly” by Magnapop. My brain did get there.

Courtney: I know this song because of the movie Mad Love with Drew Barrymore that it was in.

Lane: And I think that's why I heard originally seen it, right? So my friend had told me that Mad Love was amazing, and so I finally watched it and my friend is Gen X, so like she had grown up watching it and I did not. And so I watched it and I was like, this movie is amazing. Drew Barrymore plays a, and I couldn't say this with greater respect, absolutely batshit riot grrl woman. Nothing but praise for my queen. But like, it's so good. There's a scene with like, she like pastes eyeballs from magazines all over the walls. It's incredible. Full riot grrl soundtrack. So I was so into this song, and I thought it was so great. And then like seeing someone I was dating like kind of ignore me to the song, and then we like later broke up that day. And I, well, she ended things like really passive aggressively. It was like, she like asked me to, I met her family. I had just met her family and then like two days later, I think it was literally Christmas, she was like, “I can't do this.” And I was like, “Great that you had me meet your entire family and then broke up with me on Christmas.” And also had like made me cry all day. It was really bad. It was really bad.

Melissa: That's mean.

Lane:  Oh, it was. It gets way worse than that, but yeah.

Melissa:  It gets worse than that? Like did she also bring you a coal in your stocking? 

Lane: Way worse than that. Yeah, no, I mean, I like won't even go into that. I think this person's a demon.

Melissa: We could do an exorcism. I've watched a lot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I think we, I could do one. I feel pretty confident. 

Lane: I think we could. I mean, I think that's the thing that sucks though, is like when somebody ruins a piece of music for you, like I have tried time and time again to listen to it. And tell myself the amount of times in my life that I have put on a song and been like, “All right, buck up. Let's do this. We got this. We can do this. We can listen to it. I am not gonna let you ruin Magna Pop ‘Slowly, Slowly.’ I will not. This song is too good. You've already ruined it. You've taken enough from me. You're not going to take this.” And you try to listen to it and you feel that like acidic churn in your stomach, and you just like think of all these really traumatic memories. It's the fucking worst. But then, you know, the upside, I guess, if you're lucky, it doesn't always happen. But the upside is sometimes later, like years later, you listen to it and you're like, “I'm fine. I've reclaimed it. I must have truly healed.” Like, it doesn't do that to you, but it's few and far between. Some songs are just gone. 

Courtney: There is an explanation for this. Like, music activates our brains in such a way that we do imprint on it and the feelings that we have. Like, if you have a really amped up feeling because of an association or an event or whatever, and it can be good or it can be bad, to a song and it often is instigated by another person because we're social creatures, right? Like your brain is gonna hold onto that feeling and that music becomes the cue to like for your body to just, you know, knock it up and be like, “Oh, I remember the last time we heard this. We were feeling like this, so let's kick that feeling into gear!” And it can be painful and it can be sad and it can be happy. But yeah, a lot of times for me, I'm like you. A lot of times it's painful. Like I find it really easy to attach painful memories to music, and people straight up ruin, if not songs, whole albums and whole artist for me very easily. 

Melissa: I don't know anything about sports, but I wonder if like what you're saying- you know how I think baseball artists. Artists, great. Yes, I know so much about sports. 

Lane: We know a lot about sports. Baseball artists often do their football moves.

Melissa: Baseball artists will often walkup, no, but they have like their walkup music. And I wonder if there's something about the song that they choose that then triggers their brain to sort of kick into that gear or whatever they need to get that adrenaline flowing, to get up there and you know, kick that ball super far. 

Courtney: I mean, for sure. That's why workout playlists are a thing, to get you to a certain energy level and maintain it.

Lane: Yeah, it depends too. Like, sometimes I've been able to reclaim it in like a cool way. Like years ago I was dating somebody who introduced me to this was, oh God, this was forever ag, introduced me to P.S. Elliot. If people are not familiar with that, that's Allison Crutchfield  and Katie Crutchfield’s old band, and it's so good. And I was introduced to that and I was like, “Oh, this is so great.” And the person I was dating really sucked, but I was able to somehow keep my love for P.S. Elliot. And I think like it was briefly damaged, but then I created a web series called “Gold Stars.” And I like everything was super DIY, like directed it and wrote it and starred in it and all these things and all the songs were, almost all the songs were like, there were a lot of P.S. Elliot songs in them. And so now when I think of P.S. Elliot, I think of like being able to do that. And I think of like knowing both those women and like I later became friends with them, and it was cool. So like, like the person I was dating doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter. Like  they're irrelevant. They introduced me to this thing that became super important to me, and I was able to use in other artistic ways. But, you know, it's, that's not always- I'm so careful about songs I share with people now. It's just so it's too easy for me to lose a song.

Melissa: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. Do you like keep the good stuff for yourself? Like you just are like, I'm gonna make you playlist, but it's all gonna be my B team. None of it's gonna be good. It's gonna be like mediocre. Honestly.

Lane: I would never make a mediocre playlist. I just don't have it in me. I take pride in, maybe to a fault. I always make the better playlist. Always. In like my relationships and stuff. And maybe that's who I'm choosing. I don't know. But like whenever they come through with a playlist or their mix, and I’m like, “This was a good try.” But again, you don't always have the same music taste. But I know it's right, because they're always like, “Oh my God, this is so good. I'm listening to it all the time.” And I'm like, “I listened to yours once.” But, you know, I'm just like, yours wasn't that good and mine really… So it's not like, you know, I'm making it for me and, and they don't even like it. It's like, no, they always really like it. Since I was a kid, I'm one of those people who's like, “Yes, I'm going to make this and it's gonna be really good.” And, you know, not in this shitty, High Fidelity way where you're like making it for yourself and like just to show what stuff, you know. No, no, no. I'm like, this is what I think this person will like. But yeah, I think it, I had a moment recently where I was gonna work on a playlist for somebody and I really like, had like a personal crisis. Cause I was like, “All right, this is really gonna define how this relationship goes. Either you're willing to give them the goods…” And I like, I overthought it for forever, like hilariously long. It's just a playlist. But I was like just not wanting to associate, God forbid if like one day I don't like this person, not wanting to lose like 30 songs that I love. So, yeah, I think it's okay to do not your B stuff, cause even the stuff I put on was like really good. But it wasn't my, there were a couple that I wouldn't put on there yet. Like maybe if I know this person for five years, they'll get them. I don't know if that's silly, but that's really how I feel. 

Courtney: I don't think it's silly. 

Lane: I just don't, I don't want to lose another- music is important to me. I'm picky. I don't want to lose anything else. 

Melissa: Okay, now, no offenses to Magnapop, but is that song a huge loss for you? 

Lane: I don't like losing any songs to people. I just really don't, I don't like losing any songs. I think it's a great song. I think it's a really fun song. It is used really well in Mad Love. It's evocative of me, in that way. I guess really like the underpinnings of that question for me are like, could I ever really lose a song that like meant that much to me? Like I don't think so. And I don't know if that's cause I wouldn't give it away but like, I guess like I don't think if something was that… had been that meaningful for me that long it would be that much of a… I don't know. 

Courtney: Here's what I think is the problem with that question. Like we've asked this question about like people like Natalie Imbruglia, or I don't know who else would be a good example, but sort of like one hit wonder, maybe, or throw away artists. And I think the problem with asking it about Magnapop is they're one of like the bands from the Georgia scene who ended up having albums produced by Michael Stipe and produced by Bob Mold, who never became big in the era of college rock in the ‘80s and the early ‘90s. And I think there's something about that relates to sexism, and what was marketable then, and what indie sounded like, which was extremely male and extremely white. And they're, to me, they're an artist that didn't get the amount of appreciation that they should have. So, like, I think that there's a bigger cultural loss with us all not loving Magnapop and this song. And it fitting into a character study of a movie about a character who is someone who's really into female-driven music as opposed to just being thought of as like, this is a staple of an era. This is like a cornerstone of a genre. So, I think yes, it is a big loss if it's a song that's important to you. But I think like that question doesn't quite work for me because they're one of those underappreciated bands for reasons of social constructs, if you know what I mean. 

Lane: No, I'm glad you said that because that's kind of how I felt and I wasn't sure. When you said it, I was like, “Oh, that's literally it.” Because it was a part of me that was like, “Do I say yes?” Because part of me feels like yes, because there are so few albums from that era from women that saw the light of day, and it's such a specific time that like it does feel like a loss to me. Because those women didn't really get to break through in the way that they should have gotten to break through. So when it's something like that, that's like niche? Like I can totally understand if someone like ruins “Steal My Sunshine,” like who cares? But something like that where you like, music up like that, that I discovered. Or like L7 that like I discovered when I was older cause it was like not on my radar cause it wasn't allowed to be on anybody's radar, really, at the time. It was so, you know, undervalued in that way. And that actually brings me to all of the like, Rose Melberg stuff like Go Sailor and all those things. I was so obsessed with those songs, and then I met a shitty man who like said he really loved them. I think, oh, that's right. We like went to a show together where Rose Melberg was playing and he was, ugh, just such a shitty dirt bag. The thing that I tell myself that comforts me a little bit is I feel like if I ever one day ran into Roseberg and told her this, she'd hate that guy too. Do you know what I mean? 

Courtney: Yes. 

Lane: I've had people tell me that, like they've put like my band songs on mixtapes and stuff, and like if ever any guy like used my music in like a fucking weird way that like hurt a woman? I would want her to know, I hate that dude. Keep listening to my records, knowing I would hate him. I don't know if that's cathartic for other people, but I really find it cathartic to know like… I broke up with somebody once, I knew they were a big Fiona Apple fan and I remember thinking, “Fiona Apple would hate you. She would hate you”

Courtney: No, there is something to that feeling of like a bigger, a larger than life person in your life who has influenced you so much and feeling like, “They would be on my side. I don't even have to find the confidence in myself because this confidence comes from somebody who I really trust and have an intimate connection with. Unfortunately not my partner.” 

Lane: Right. I mean, it's so interesting how that stuff works too, because like, of course, like I think it's interesting that the two that came up for me were these like under the radar like indie women who didn't really get their due. And were like kind of ruined by men or masculine presenting people. Like I think that is kind of the loss there where you're like, oh, these, like, you know, in some cases for Rose, like these, like soft, like beautiful, interesting, like women's music was like ruined by these like predatory, abusive, like- you know they've been through that shit too. And it's like, it reminds me of that, I think like the best example that we have, that I always go to is like Nirvana. And I'm like, oh, like he hated so many of his fans. And it's the same thing where I'm like, I went to a Letters to Cleo concert years ago when they played in Brooklyn and like I've always been a huge fan of hers. And like we were at Letters to Cleo in New York City and there was a guy who kept like creepily touching our lower backs. Who kept like kind of elbowing us out of the way to like get in front. And I just remember having this moment of being like, “Why are you even here? This is not the energy at a Letters to Cleo show.” Like it's just, I guess it's just interesting. It just makes me think about like the weird male fans who are like really toxic and have like a lot of misogyny but they're like fans of these incredible women. And then it's like kind of this insidious thing. And then they kind of ruin the music for other women who literally those musicians probably wrote the songs for. Do you know what I mean? 

Courtney: I think like Liz Phair is one of those artists, and it's complicated because of her relationship with toxic masculinity in ‘90s indie rock. But like so many of the men who were fans of her, I'm just like, “You're here for the wrong reason.” Not to get all The Bachelor on you, but like you do not fucking understand what's going. 

Lane: That's kind of I think what I mean. And then also like I think you just have to be mindful of those spaces. Like this isn't even yours. There's that type of man who will like infiltrate these spaces and use this to like kind of get in with women. I think that's why it feels like a loss with like all of these, cause it's such a specific- it's not like, it's like, I don't know, like an ABBA song or like an Ace of Bass song — basically the same band. But it's not like, it's some like kind of fluff thing. It's like it almost feels political when you lose it.

Melissa: With Tinder Live, you've probably spent a lot of time on Tinder looking at people. So when people put their songs, and if it's a guy with like a Liz Phair song, would that be a red flag for you?

Lane:  Which song is it? Because that's what I want to know. 

Melissa: Like a “Fuck and Run.” 

Lane: Right? I'm like, if it's “Fuck and Run,” red flag, we're out. We’re out.

Courtney: Anything from that whole album, I'm out. But if you did something from Whitechocolatespaceegg, I would be like, oh, interesting. 

Lane: That's what I was going to say. Same. Because here's the thing, and here's why I didn't have an immediate red flag. Because I am so much more bored by men whose theme song is another dude. I'm so bored by it. I do get a little bit excited — again, hesitant, it depends on what it is, when I see they listen to any women. Especially a lot of women. I am so bored. I hate the Spotify Wrapped that's like, “Here it is, I listened to only white guys, again!” I hate seeing that from men. I hate seeing it from women. It's so boring. You're missing so much music. It tells me you have some unexamined stuff. But with men, I can't deal with it. If you don't listen to any female artist, if you don't listen to at least 50/50? Any men I've ever had in my band, like listened to like 90% female fronted artists. Like I don't fuck around. I think that's a measure of good taste. 

Melissa: Yeah, a friend of mine who works in the music industry says that her new red flag is men who put “This Must Be the Place” by Talking Heads.

Melissa: …because she thinks they're always the people who think they really are into music. And she said it's like such a sign that they think they're so cool and they're just never as cool as they think are.

Courtney: Those people all discovered it when the Arcade Fire covered it in the 2010s and didn't know it before that, I promise you. 

Lane: I didn't even know they covered it.

Courtney: Oh, it was a moment. 

Lane: It's so funny because, for such a time, like the Talking Heads were kind of like weird and dorky and outsider-y. And then like something shifted, specifically with “This Must Be the Place,” which I guess is when they covered it. I didn't even know they did, but I knew something shifted where it became like all these indie boys being like, “This is as sensitive as I get, is liking this song.” And you're like, “Ew, what?” And they’re like, “Yeah, I'm sort of open to romance, kind of as it is in this specific song. Do you think I'm emotionally deep?” And you're like, “No, I don't.” 

Courtney: Meanwhile, the lyrics to that song are literally about the animal kingdom and how animals mate without attachment. So, like once again, men: listen to the lyrics. Let's circle back though, because we've spent so much time now talking about men, and how men have ruined music and that is what a lot of the podcast is, quite frankly. But your original instinct, and your gut instinct was a song that was ruined by a woman. So was that feeling like, did it come to mind first because it was much more intense? Or is this one that you're just sort of still ruminating over more than others? 

Lane: I'm not still ruminating on it, necessarily. I mean, to be fair, like this was a very, very masculine person. There are some women who you're like, “Oh my God, you're like an abusive dude.” It's not any different in my mind. Just like the energies. Like that does happen sometimes. So, I think that makes sense. I think it's rare that a woman or a femme person has ruined music for me — kind of. I'm sure they have. I just, I think when I was trying to think of songs that like make my stomach squirm when I hear them still, I heard the opening bars of that song, so it was just the first place my brain went to. So, I don't think it had anything to do with, with that. But then, yeah, the second one that came up in that same one was a man who had actually a very different energy, a more like neutral energy, I guess. So, I think it was cause that was the last time somebody ruined one. I think that's why it was the most recent. Even though it was a while ago, it was the most recent one. 

Melissa: And also the context of like right around Christmas, right after you met the family. Like it seems particularly memorable, too. Like memorably awful but memorable. 

Lane: It wasn't as you know, I don't know what. Most of the other stories that you hear are like… 

Courtney: Well, there's death and destruction. At least in one of them. 

Lane: Great. The story doesn't have one of those. It doesn't have death. I feel like a lot got destroyed that Christmas. But you know, I think it's interesting cause I guess I know deeper in my psyche there's other music that was ruined. I'm sure there's so many, you know, honestly, probably too many to count, but I think I've either been able to reclaim those or I just don't think about them anymore. I think the ones that I tend to remember are the songs I still miss and the songs that still maybe come up on my Shuffle and I'm like, “Can we listen to that? No, I don't think we can. I think we need to skip it.” Because otherwise you kind of, you do kind of forget them. Like I don't know what the ones are when I was 15, 16. I know there were ones, cause I've always been kind of wired that way. But it's funny cause I can imagine that some people who like have like really funny stories and it's just like, “This! And then I like shat myself on the way to Wendy's and now I can't, you know, here “Just A Girl” by No Doubt anymore.” And I wish I had something like that, but those aren't the ones my brain holds on to. 

Melissa: Yeah,I had a friend who, she was in a car accident when she was a kid, and she just remembers Joni Mitchell's “Big Yellow Taxi” playing as like she got smashed. Which is, you know, what a just, I mean, songs can be ruined in a lot of ways. But yeah, that's definitely, you know, pooping yourself or, you know, getting a car accident, just whatever that soundtrack is.

Lane: I feel the need to clarify that it's not a true story. I did not poop myself on the way to Wendy's while listening to “Just A Girl.” I know. It sounded specific enough to be true. If that had been my- a real story, that would've been the one I told. I would not have revisited one of my worst relationships ever on this show. I would've gone with Wendy's poop story. Absolutely.

Courtney: So that's gonna wrap up the conversation. But Lane, tell us a little bit about, first of all, where people can find your book and buy a copy, and we'll include a link in the show notes, obviously. And everything else you're working on right now. 

Lane: Yeah, so all my social media stuff is, Hello Lane Moore. So, there's a bunch of links in there for that. My website is lanemoore.org. You can look at all my tour dates and things like that. I'm doing a big Tinder Live tour and book tour where I'm going all around the country. 

Courtney: Explain to people who maybe don't know, cause they're not as cool as us, exactly what Tinder Live is. What are they getting themselves into when they go to this show?

Lane: Sure, so, Tinder Live is, I am going on my Tinder account. I put it on a projector screen and I am swiping live through whatever area I'm in, and the audience chooses whether I swipe right or left. And the thing that if you haven't seen Tinder Live before that people are always really surprised by, is that it's like surprisingly kind and you will laugh like once every second. I'm not like going through and making fun of some really nice guy. I don't know why some people think that would be it that I would like… I think it's very funny when they think it would be that, because all it tells me is they've never used a dating app. If you think it is just swiping through the most wonderful men you've ever seen and punching down, I'm like, oh, no, no. You’ve never used a dating app, that's fine that you don't know what I'm doing. But basically what I tell people is like every mens profile that you would swipe left on and be like, “What the hell was that? He was naked and bleeding!” I swipe right on and I- it's totally improvised. I love it so much because whenever I've used dating apps like so, so, so many women, it can just be the most exhausting, grueling, sometimes genuinely scary, creepy experience. And I created Tinder Live years ago because I was like, oh, it'd be so great to A, have something that was like Mystery Science Theater but with Tinder, which Frank from Mystery Science Theater actually put it that way, and it made my whole life. He was like, that's what this is. And I was like, that's, yes. But to have something that would be so cathartic for women to see, like, you're not the only one getting these weird profiles. You're not the only one getting these weird messages. Like I'm getting them too, but also getting to see a woman who's not defeated and will always have the upper hand in a way that we don't always get to have when we're using it for real. But like, I'm always one step ahead of them. Like if they're saying some weird, sketchy stuff, I'm smarter than them. It's very nice where you're kind of just like, oh, this guy's being kind of mean to her. Oh, I'm ready. I'll roll up my sleeves. But you know, it's really, it's just such a fun like, goodhearted show. And then, you know, if we do happen to get a guy who's like really wonderful and great, then there's like a moment of, oh wow, some people are great, their profile is just bad. So, it's one of my favorite things to do. And yeah, I do it every month in New York City and going on a big national tour all through April and May. 

Courtney: Nice, so if you wanna find out more about what Lane Moore knows, her book, You Will Find Your People, is out and we're linking to buy it on bookshop.org on our site. If you don't have a local indie retailer near you, maybe consider that. And if you do go there, but you can also find it anywhere books are sold on ‘ye olde internet. Lane, thanks for being here. This was really fun.

Lane: Thank you so much. Yeah, it was really fun. Thank you. 

Melissa: Yeah, thank you for coming.

Courtney: Thanks for also reinforcing all of our notions that men are the ones ruining songs and women are cool cause what's happening. 

Lane: That's just seems to be the trend. True. 

Courtney: These are just these are just statistics people. I don't know. 

Lane: What, these are just, I'm just reading statistics. I'm just looking at facts!

Melissa: Well, thank you very much.

Lane:  Yeah, thank you. This was great.